But seeing the incredible power of emacs and the ease of integrating vim with it (pretty much a "pick your style" at the beginning of spacemacs installation) I'll never go back. Although now, there's WSL on Windows 10. I don't mind Lisps and use Clojure regularly, yet I'd still argue your JS examples are easier to read than the Lisp ones. (Ignoring, of course, "Lisp is weird".. don't get me started.). Using an entirely different language because you don't want to use the macro features of the language you are using to modify a small detail due to it feeling "a bit gauche" seems much more extreme to me than just making that change... FWIW, I work with an old-school Lisp/Scheme hacker who learned at MIT and worked with some of "the greats", and he has often argued that if I really wanted Lisp to look like. Dadurch ist es möglich, in Clojure jede beliebige Java-Bibliothek zu verwenden, und für sehr viele von diesen gibt es (oft schmale) Wrapper-Bibliotheken in Clojure. [26] Clojure conferences are organized every year across the globe, the most famous of them being Clojure/conj. which is still private lean mean business and personal and civil enlightenment oriented? And people are taking notice. Wave goodbye to Webpack, Babel, Redux, Gulp, Grunt, Browserify, Brunch, Yeoman and the rest of the usual suspects. Other languages encourage you to edit compile and ship your programs like dead fish. A lot of little things that are hard in other languages are easier in LISP, which results in you writing the code yourself instead of pulling in a library some else wrote. You have plugins without updates for like 2 years and working like it was updated recently. > Elm, Elixir, JavaScript, seem to be better at prioritizing the humanistic aspect. no, that would just be something like "Commons RDF" again.. but this is my personal pet Clojure project outside Apache. There are little barriers in analyzing problems and exploring unknown code. The JVM just feels slow and cumbersome compared to what I'm used to (Node.js, Erlang/Elixir, Python). And you're right, the peak in alt-languages was closer to five years ago. Also, WASM is just around the corner, which will probably make this a non issue. I suspect one current thing hurting adoption from the JS community is the very heavy JVM based tooling. Clojure/Java have perfectly good linear algebra libraries but there's nothing about the language that specifically lends itself to solving these problems. Really, people wrote songs about Java. Seriously you can write javascript in clojurescript. Because it has certainly passed its glory days as well. --main invokes a Clojure function, in this case cljs.main. Clojure is a secret weapon for simplicity and agility. It usually works all right if you can stay a few Ruby versions behind and carefully pick the gems you use, but it'll likely fall apart if you try to collaborate with anyone using Mac or Linux, updating to the latest Ruby and gems and grabbing any gem they feel like. The current development process is community-driven, overseen by Rich Hickey as its benevolent dictator for life (BDFL). A web server written in clojure, doesn't make it a space rocket, and certainly not making you a rocket scientist. Python and Ruby were strong in the dynamic region, Perl 6 was still an inside joke, C++ still dominated game development, Javascript was still the mainstay of web development, and so forth. 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That's exactly what I'm saying. All major surveys show that Clojure has steadily declined in market share. Just like a fine Stradivarius violin. Of the languages we surveyed, Dart developers are relatively rare. I don't understand: why can't you add a newsline andan indent? Hope you find some entertainment in it. You must not jump ship, you can ride two or three, depending on where your money comes from. > The JVM just feels slow and cumbersome compared to what I'm used to (Node.js, Erlang/Elixir, Python). deftype and defprotocol define dynamic behavior in Clojure. Sounds like I should revisit CLJS based on your comment. I found working with iterators which was recommended with immutable.js very awkward. As a former CL dabbler I didn't mind the square brackets in let but I really liked the use of them for vector and curly braces for map. [25], Commercial support for Clojure is provided by Cognitect. For your second example, your JavaScript is wrong. [1] http://www.ryan-williams.net/hacker-news-hiring-trends/2017/... What is becoming less popular is dynamically typed languages or perhaps more correct to say languages who's types are not statically analyzed at compile time. With a strong statically typed language like scalajs or elm, you have a lot more static reasoning that can be done at compile time, allowing you to omit a lot of runtime support. So yeah, Clojure's faster, but perception matters. Also super easy hot reloading with figwheel. login; register; Clojars is a dead easy community repository for open source Clojure libraries. While the community around Clojure is fantastically good, I don't like the language itself as much. > Is Ruby supposed to be an example of "not dying" language? In the example below, we can see how easy it is to write code that modifies code itself: The threading macros (->, ->>, and friends) can syntactically express the abstraction of piping a collection of data through a series of transformations: This can also be achieved more efficiently using transducers: A thread-safe generator of unique serial numbers (though, like many other Lisp dialects, Clojure has a built-in gensym function that it uses internally): An anonymous subclass of java.io.Writer that doesn't write to anything, and a macro using it to silence all prints within it: Clojure was created from the ground up to embrace its host platforms as one of its design goals and thus provides excellent language interoperability with Java: 10 threads manipulating one shared data structure, which consists of 100 vectors each one containing 10 (initially sequential) unique numbers. Elm. Software spends 90% of its life in maintenance. Is Clojure dying? As soon as I saw Clojure, I knew that my setup would unavoidably get twice as complicated because they added another delimiter that's used in random places in the code. [126] Note that, in the following examples, ;; starts a line comment and ;; => indicates the expected output: Unlike other runtime environments where names get compiled away, Clojure's runtime environment is easily introspectable using normal Clojure data structures: Similar to other Lisps, Clojure is homoiconic (also known as code as data). 5 years ago it was the same applicants as today, only minus Go and Rust. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-expression, Heck even Clojure seems to agree, just the simple act of using vectors for various things (ie function parameters) helps with the readability. “What is right is not always popular and what is popular is not always right.” -- Albert Einstein. ClojureScript is within 10-20% of JavaScript or less (virtually the same). In the last couple of months I've been playing around with different solutions for actor based programming. En JavaScript, une fermeture est créée chaque fois qu'une fonction est créée. Clojure was designed to make a certain kind of software easier to write. It helps if you're not used to them already. It’s not a pretty program by far, but throwaway code is code too, so here goes. It could still be used by other jvm languages, possibly js languages, and wouldn't require betting the farm on it to try it out. (player makes a move on the client, game rules are played out, just the move is sent to server and server plays the same move again using the same game class). https://github.com/jashkenas/coffeescript/wiki/List-of-langu... http://www.lihaoyi.com/post/FromfirstprinciplesWhyIbetonScal... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI8tNMsozo0. The libraries are the real issue. Interoperability with existing code in that ecosystem is also nice, but secondary; people using your language want to use your language, after all; if they wanted the best interoperability with Java, they'd just use Java. Is Java Dead? It is felt when running unit test too. [124], The following examples can be run in a Clojure REPL such as one started with the Clojure CLI tools[123] or an online REPL such as one available on REPL.it.[125]. He gave the Simplicity Matters talks at Railsconf (. This is followed by --repl to say that we want a REPL to launch immediately when compilation completes. Each item in this seq needs to include both the key and the value, hence they are wrapped in a MapEntry. So if there is anything hurting Clojure I believe it is the increased uptake of languages with much better type systems than in the past (Scala, Swift, Rust, and even Go). Instead, manage JVM-shutdown work in the -main in the namespace that your jar's manifest declares as its Main-Class. They didn't want to manage a Linux desktop, which was more painful to do than today and with some glitches even today. The majority resides with the fact that it could work without them, so I see it as an ancient artifact. They could always consult around it to continue making money on it. If I remember correctly, you showed some kindness towards Clojure (the language). Clojure (/ˈkloʊʒər/, like closure)[15][16] is a modern, dynamic, and functional dialect of the Lisp programming language on the Java platform. I think we have a responsibility. There are homoiconic languages like Prolog and Julia that have more familiar syntax styles, but S-Expression Lisps are unmatched in making homiconicity readily apparent. Despite recent software hitches, Mac OS has been far and away a superior experience for development than when I was trying to run RailsInstaller on my Windows machine. Clojure is different enough that it will probably never be as popular as Java or Python. It provides built-in concurrency support via software transactional memory and asynchronous agents, and offers a rich set of immutable, persistent data structures. * built-in code-splitting (don't import the code for the settings page on the home page, automatically load it when the user goes there), also from Google Closure Compiler. Clojure's hash map, just like hash tables and dictionaries in many other languages, has a mechanism to iterate through the entire collection. There are so many options these days that it's tough to stand out from the crowd. 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